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As the vote is coming to a close I wanted to announce that I (Henry), a bureaucrat not listed on this page, will lock the page at the 7 day mark and begin tallying the votes --Henry (talk) 04:51, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Votal Totals: Joey Demotion: 24 in favor, 57 opposed. Net -33, no demotion.

Galvatron Demotion: 29 in favor, 42 opposed. Net -13, no demotion.

Leijurv Demotion: 27 in favor, 37 opposed. Net -10, no demotion

SoiledCold Promotion: 26 in favor, 40 opposed. Net -14, no promotion.

Osmobyte Promotion: 60 in favor, 4 opposed. Net 56, but Osmobyte declined promotion. No promotion at this time.

Toska Promotion: 30 in favor, 40 opposed. Net -10, no promotion.

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The majority of the 2b2t wiki is controlled by a single group of players known as the SpawnMasons who represent 3% or less of the active 2b2t community. The 2b2t Wiki Coalition has discussed the various issues surrounding the monopoly control of the wiki and its potential and realized negative effects on the documentation of server and community history and has come to the conclusion that staff changes are needed.

Please vote yes or no to each one of the following below:

We propose the following promotions:

  • SoiledCold - previous trusted editor who was demoted recently ahead of this proposal
  • Toska - well respected builder and community leader of The Collective. He has a history of editing drafts on the wiki and contributing in a constructive manner.
  • Osmobyte - he has over 200 contributions to the wiki and zero objections to his editing history.

We propose the following demotions:

  • Leijurv - SpawnMason member, inactive on the wiki project
  • Joey_Coconut - SpawnMason member, Bias handling of skymason situation & connect 4 situation, Proposal to Ban orsond last year. Censoring
  • Galvatron - SpawnMason orbiter and close associate of Joey_Coconut

We would like to thank all current wiki admins for their contributions and wish them luck.

We propose to hold the vote from the time of posting for 7 days and have the Mirahaze Steward call the result. D loaded (talk) 23:22, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Vote Start

Definition of demotion: Remove bureaucrat & administrator role
Definition of promotion: Add bureaucrat & administrator role


Demotion of Joey_Coconut1

Demotion of JoeyCoconut


Demotion of Joey_Coconut: No Joey has put such a significant amount of time and effort into running the wiki, keeping it alive and writing articles for it I dont think there is a single person who could replace him. --Smcz19 (talk)

Demotion of Joey_Coconut - NO --Cpybara (talk)


Demotion of Joey_Coconut: No Joey has made significant efforts to remain consistent, fair and unbiased regardless of groups. His effort towards improving the wiki and taking in feedback from the community is evident. He is a strong leader and fit for this role. --MinecraftSimon (talk)


Joey_Coconut Demotion - NO Joey goes above and beyond to make the wiki a better, more comprehensive and objective place for the 2b2t community and people outside of the community to acquire information about the server and the projects we've poured hundreds, even thousands of hours into. He is also a longtime player with many connections and a wealth of knowledge rivaled by few.

If a person like him is to be replaced, he needs to be replaced with a person that has the knowledge, skill, and dedication to do what he does. Currently I do not think a person like that exists. --RICELAND1 (talk)



KitNightingale (talk)

Keep Joey_coconut and his staff on the WIKI!!!!!!

      IT TURNS out that D Loaded thought Joey WROTE the connect 4 page as some kind of personal revenge. ALL this time. He said on live stage that he had evidence of this. I SWEAR to you all, the connect4 event staff: sven sven, myself, riceland,  etcetc, all submitted proper info for the draft and we all tried hard to get the most accurate telling of that amazing day. We had help to make the draft template etc. but the information was all us. Not Joey.
      The massive pressure Joey described to me in discord dm's being under from the 'supposed wiki community' over the connect4 draft pages very existence turns out to have been just d loaded and his friends coping and spamming to joey and the wiki admins, complaining that everything about the page was bad or wrong or malicious.
      Joey NEVER told me any who had opposed the draft page. Or any other details on WHY it was taking sooooooo long to be approved. On reflection this shows me JOEY is an extremely good admin. He must never have never entertained any conversations about its origins to d loaded as well. Again. This shows he is a BLOODY good admin.      
     On GOD, HOWWWWW???? does d loaded have evidence that the name don fall was just made up by "some random guy" months later??? When my LIVE STREAM on my YOU TUBE CHANNEL on the event day has the discussion that led to the nickname happening right there.... How?? I feel d loaded just hates the name don fall and or anything negative being documented on the wiki about Don Fuer. My only conclusion was he may HATE JOEY and HIS TEAM because of this page. I can not think of any other reason.  
      The connect 4 page was written by the event team and myself. Not Joey, or any wiki staff. Our words were typed in/copy pasted by kizzycocoa. I am sure there must be a way to see who submits a first draft for review?  I feel personally ASTONISHED that d loaded is still upset about connect4 and isn't embarrassed to be seen this way.  I am totally baffled by him talking about ALL this ancient history on a LIVE STAGE, a stage I saw to be supposedly engineered to show LEGITIMATE community concerns on how the 2b2t Wiki is run. Perhaps d loaded's stage prep notes were written in jumbo crayon?? If someone wants to help make the wiki better, in my perosnal opinion, it should NEVER be this man. I fear the wiki will be in danger if that were ever so.
    I WAS WRONG about being 'similary' frustrated along with d loaded re wiki administration. I feel that as 2b2t players and wiki users, YOU would probably BE confused by the revelations I just came to on this subject? In my opinion, if a FULL grown man were to go to these lengths to be more in control of a wiki so he can then possibly edit a name, on a page, that is still a DRAFT... Is a man with ambitions that are not suitable for leading any kind of change on a wiki, or well anywhere. On earth. In my opinion.                                      
   
   O. o. I feel doctors may have to intecede. Or his parents. The cope is real.  
        If you AGREE I WAS WRONG about Joey and his discord until now, I suggest you think about voting as I am:

I Vote 'NO' on the demotion of Joey_Coconut. I vote 'NO' on the demotion of LeJurv. I vote 'NO' on the demotion of Galvatron.

the spawn masons might be mysterious and scary but they run a fair wiki without crying and planing personal vengeance using crayons, safety scissors and a highchair.

I so then vote 'NO' on the promotion of Soiledcold, 'No' to the promotion of Osmobyte, and 'No' to the promotion of Toska.

Sorry boys. But the crayon drawings of Joey Coconut as a big scary monster all over the floor are too worrying to ignore. 

KitNightingale (talk)


Joey_Coconut Demotion - NO

To say this briefly, this site would not be here in its current form without me, plain and simple.


I have fulfilled my role as a staff member faithfully and dutifully for the last 3 1/2+ years. In that time I have spearheaded a variety of projects, official and not, ranging in scale and nature from simply trying to document all builders at Mu that I possibly could, to adopting and reviving 2b2t Wiki:Operation Wikipossible when no one else would, to reaching out to any regular player that would give me information for pages. This includes the pages for many of those in this thread here, because they could not be bothered to write their own or to even participate in the wiki outside of threads such as this. I authored the vast majority of the rules (which admittedly need updating), the entirety of the editing guides currently used, and the draft review system was my brainchild as a way to get away from the very problematic system we previously used which was based on an abstract idea of relevance. Outside of these, my contributions to the site speak for themselves; I would be shocked if every editor in this thread combined has contributed more to this site than I have in terms of just edits alone; that is not even saying very much as most of the accounts here have 0 edit histories whatsoever and that many of them are only represented on this site through the result of my outreach and documentation, be it through direct involvement in editing, or run-of-the-mill mentions in content.

I am far from being 'just a spawnmason', and have a significant amount of connections across the community that make all of this possible. Largely under my direction, the wiki has been transformed into something that was in many ways the universal laughing stock of the community into something that is now regularly consulted by a variety of players, content creators, and even books.


I contrast this with those calling for my demotion, and the demotion of my fellow staff, who have openly admitted they are just trying to get me out because they refuse to work with a staff team that includes me. Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words - this is one of those times.



The only suggested staff member promotion that is even active is Osmobyte. Toska and SoiledCold are inactive players that have shown no initiative on this site whatsoever in a long period (nearly 6 months for Toska, almost a year for SoiledCold). Connections in the community by themselves are meaningless when the players are inactive on-site and suggested for a misguided concept of 'diversity'. If you want to see real diversity, look no farther than the Draft Menders, the institution of which was my idea. The Draft Menders that stay active and learn how the site works, and become Draft Reviewers - those are the people we should be looking to draw staff from. Osmobyte is a good example of the type of person that should be suggested for staff - he's expressed he's not even interested, though. More thought should have been placed into this.


Add to this misguided and tainted thinking the fact that the so-called 'Coalition' supporters are nearly all new accounts, deathly inactive accounts, and overall are the result of offsite brigading from a very specific part of the community. That it's STILL not enough to have me demoted is an indication of how out of touch the people that have called for and are backing this vote are. They were unable to even properly format this page correctly. This 3% statistic being thrown around is also genuinely hilarious. Does this level of support look like 3% to anyone here?


I'm here to stay, and will additionally be seeking a promotion if possible after this is over and done with. Grow up and learn to work with others in a constructive and good-faith manner, or kick rocks. Your choice. --Joey Coconut1 (talk)


Joey_Coconut Demotion - NO Lol joey has been doing his job as an admin just fine and has recently allowed more and more players to have their own page, I think joey has played fairly with the wider 2b community, this whole thing is just 5c and more specifically D_Loaded trying to get more power than is needed or deserved. Its not possible for everyone to be happy with such a diverse player base. Its just a really loud minority trying to manipulate people for their own gain. --LightningB0lt44 (talk).


Statement from Leijurv I've had a conversation with D_loaded on Discord after seeing myself listed on this vote. We spoke at length, and my conclusion is that this is D_loaded is pursuing a vendetta rooted in personal dislike of myself, Joey, and the SpawnMasons. I tried at length to figure out exactly what the accusations of improper behavior are, but D_loaded's claims did not stand up to even basic fact checking. In the conversation, I said that I don't think I've ever wronged him, then he brought up "Skymasons censorship". I replied that there is an entire paragraph on the topic of skyfall here, and that no one had touched that paragraph since it was written in Dec 2022 (where's the censorship?). I asked him several times to give any example of where there was a biased or unfair "mason majority" (whether I was a part of it or not), but he could not. Then, completely unprompted, an hour later, he came back to the DM and started ranting about all the reasons why he personally dislikes me and the SpawnMasons, such as how I "robbed the entire server with no comm" (see here). He had no actual examples of me "attacking" him or his group. Also see here and here. Then, we got into the exact specifics of his dispute with Joey Coconut. We may have miscommunicated about the drama, and probably some of it took place off-wiki, but in the history of the main page that he was complaining about, which you can review here, I didn't see evidence for essentially any of his claims, even though I really tried to work with him and find some. At the end of the discussion, he admitted that "none of this matters" and "I don't want joey as staff anymore. My reasons are my own.". Hm. Well. In my mind, the issues about the wiki are the only relevant issue, and all I could see was extremely reasonable attempts to reach compromise. For example, the proposal to ban orsond last year was listed as a reason to demote Joey. But when I look at that page, it looks extremely fair and reasonable, weighing the impact of potentially banning Orsond quite carefully. The community was consulted, and Orsond was not banned. Again, I see no problem with this, just reasonable good-faith compromise on the part of Joey and the other admins. Wikis are all about compromise, and being made to compromise (rather than writing whatever you want) is actually a good thing. I also don't see how doing nocom makes me a bad admin; I understand it made D_loaded personally dislike me, but that's not a good enough argument. Therefore, I'm against these proposals. Leijurv (talk) 18:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Clarification upon further reflection, as "I'm against these proposals" was ambiguous: I change to supporting Osmobyte, and I change to neutral on myself. Oppose on all other changes. Leijurv (talk) 06:08, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Statement from D_loaded Leijurv has been inactive on the wiki for an entire year. He's failed in his responsibility as a staff member. And the fact he just published an entire private discussion he had with me is evidence he was acting in bad faith in that conversation from the start, just as I had alleged. 3% of the servers population should not be 100% of the staff. Vote for change.


Joey_Coconut Demotion - NO To begin, I'd like to put forward that I am the co-creator, along with Henry, for the Draft Review system of this wiki which has brought about a significant change in the way administration works within the Admin Team. Drafts are reviewed and approved upon, depending on whether or not the page has been written cleanly and without DIRECTED hate or any other form of obvious biased writing. The proposals made by D_Loaded and his team have completely undermined the backend work that has been done to keep this wiki secure for all people, especially when the wiki talks about the history and motivations of said people. The changes proposed by D_Loaded also undermine the statements he himself has made about his reasons for promotion of the individuals listed. Supposed bias on one side does not mean bias is non-existent on another side of a discussion. Cohesion is paramount to the success of this wiki and I feel like the majority of the changes proposed by D_Loaded ruin that cohesion. However, I DO agree with a slight bit of change. Administration is difficult; having spoken to Joey_Coconut many times to create our review system, I've seen how difficult it can be for a small team. With that said, please view my votes under their respective subheadings. --Casparov (talk)


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No I believe that the demotion of JoeyCoconut would negatively impact the wiki, Joey has made a vast amount of contributions to the wiki and has shown consistent dedication to improving the wiki, like providing support with peoples pages. His connections around the community and past in running the wiki proved he's a good mediator for the wiki and the vote to demote him on the basis of group association or specific reverts seem more like a personal vendetta on (Orsond) and (D loaded) behalf then genuine attempts at diversifying the viewpoints in the staff. Especially in the specific reasons listed for his demotion. Group association is no reason to demote Joey, also Joey is involved in a number of groups across 2b2t not just the Spawnmasons so to brand him solely as a mason not only is irrelevant to the running of the wiki but also not accurate. There is a mention of the drama surrounding Skymasons on the Spawnmasons wiki page that is unedited and goes over what all parties have said regarding the situation, where is the bias? The Connect 4 situation page ultimately reached a compromise that is admitted by D Loaded himself showing that this isn't really a valid reason for demotion and proves the unbiased operation of the wiki. How is the proposal to ban Orsond a reason for demotion, the way the administration went about running the proposal was completely fair and the results were honored. The fact this is even brought up as a reason for a ban shows the personal motives behind this proposal. The two examples of censorship that were provided I already addressed. --KommunistKuba (talk)

Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No


--KitNightingale (talk)

      TURNS out that D Loaded thought Joey WROTE the connect 4 page as some kind of personal revenge. ALL this time. He said on live stage that he had evidence of this. I SWEAR to you all, the connect4 event staff: sven sven, myself, riceland,  etcetc, all submitted proper info for the draft and we all tried hard to get the most accurate telling of that amazing day. We had help to make the draft template etc. but the information was all us. Not Joey.
      The massive pressure Joey described to me in discord dm's being under from the 'supposed wiki community' over the connect4 draft pages very existence turns out to have been just d loaded and his friends coping and spamming to joey and the wiki admins, complaining that everything about the page was bad or wrong or malicious.
      Joey NEVER told me any who had opposed the draft page. Or any other details on WHY it was taking sooooooo long to be approved. On reflection this shows me JOEY is an extremely good admin. He must never have never entertained any conversations about its origins to d loaded as well. Again. This shows he is a BLOODY good admin.      
   On GOD, HOWWWWW???? does d loaded have evidence that the name don fall was just made up by "some random guy" months later??? When my LIVE STREAM on my YOU TUBE CHANNEL on the event day has the discussion that led to the nickname happening right there.... How?? I feel d loaded just hates the name don fall and or anything negative being documented on the wiki about Don Fuer. Period. 
       The connect 4 page was written by the event team and myself. Not Joey, or any wiki staff. Our words were typed in/copy pasted by kizzycocoa. I am sure there must be a way to see who submits a first draft for review?  I am ASTONISHED that d loaded is still upset about connect 4 even now. And further more baffled by him saying on LIVE STAGE that Joey wrote it backed up with EVIDENCE in order to convince the rest of the 2b2t players to vote Joey off the staff. Were his note written in jumbo crayon I wonder?? I was wrong about being 'similary' frustrated with d loaded re wiki administration. I VERY frustrated a FULL grown man would go to these lengths to be pissed off about something about his 'group' on an internet page. O. o. I feel doctors may have to intecede. Or his parents. The cope is real. 

I Vote 'NO' on the demotion of Joey_Coconut. I vote 'NO' on the demotion of LeJurv. I vote 'NO' on the demotion of Galvatron.

the spawn masons might be mysterious and scary but they run a fair wiki without crying and planing personal vengeance using crayons, safety scissors and a highchair.

I so then vote 'NO' on the promotion of Soiledcold, 'No' to the promotion of Osmobyte, and 'No' to the promotion of Toska.

Sorry boys. But the crayon drawings of Joey Coconut as a big scary monster all over the floor are too worrying to ignore. 



Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

I vote no for the demotion of Joey. Most the information i read on the 2b2t wiki daily is written by him and most the stuff he writes helps me find a answer to my question. --Skdi (talk)


I vote no for the demotion of Joey. Joey has put a significant amount of time into curating the wiki and it shows. As far as having a uniform source of information regarding 2b2t, the community has never been in a better place, and it would be a shame to throw that away by demoting him. --TimAkaHagrid1 (talk)

Promotion of SoiledCold: No

I vote no for the promotion of SoiledCold. SoiledCold is not active enough. --TimAkaHagrid1 (talk)


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: Yes

I vote yes for demotion of Joey_Coconut. These users are horribly out of touch with the 2b2t wiki and have worked for years to unfairly censor/prosecute 2b2t players/groups such as c0mmie_, Clown, MrCK10, The Gulag, etc. They need to go.A1fastyellowgto (talk) 17:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


Demotion of Galvatron: Yes


I vote yes for demotion of Galvatron. These users are horribly out of touch with the 2b2t wiki and have worked for years to unfairly censor/prosecute 2b2t players/groups such as c0mmie_, Clown, MrCK10, The Gulag, etc. They need to go.A1fastyellowgto (talk) 17:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Promotion of SoiledCold: Yes


I vote for yes for the promotion of SoiledCold as I have known him for years and he has had a good track record of running groups/projects such as his stint as 2b2t Uncensored moderator, Leader of TeamNoTrees, Leader of Team No Seas, etc. A1fastyellowgto (talk) 17:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Demotion of Leijurv


I also vote yes for the demotion of Leijurv, due to his inactivity. His role on the wiki shouldn't be determined because of his mod contributions to the community. A1fastyellowgto (talk) 17:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes


I vote yes for Osmobyte to be promoted. He is a neutral party and will be a good help for the wiki. Also, this is because I do not feel adequately represented by 3% of the community, and we need active and impartial representation. A1fastyellowgto (talk) 17:27, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Promotion of Osmobyte: No [

Promotion of Toska: Yes


I vote yes for Toska to be promoted. He is a neutral party and will be a good help for the wiki. Also, this is because I do not feel adequately represented by 3% of the community, and we need active and impartial representation. A1fastyellowgto (talk) 17:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

Joey has been an active editor for 4 years and from what I could see in the history was always aiming for this site to be as good as possible.

--P529 (talk)



Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

Joey has been a significant contributor to the 2b2t wiki for several years and the wiki would not be in as good of a state as it is without him. I don't believe this vote was started with the wiki's future in mind.

--Skai256 (talk)


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No Joey is good admin he laughed at how many bad commas I removed --FriedVEVO (talk)


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

Joey has done a good job so far and has been neutral on every issue I've seen.

--DanDucky (talk)


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

Joey had been contribute a lot and skilled administrator for 2b2t wiki so I dont see the point of removing / demote him. Fairly neutral as well for the cases that I saw.

--User:EddyChong


Alright, certain changes must be made. The idea of an administration team of a community project being run by one singular group does not run well with me. However, I view the idea of making six leadership changes nonsensical and potentially harmful for the wiki as a whole. The following are my opinions and votes on the issues at hand.

Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

I vote no for the demotion of Joey_Coconut. He is one of the few prejune players who is still active in the community, and a viewpoint like his is one that should not be lost. Have we seen bias from him, yes. However, for certain views like the banning of Orsond, I disagree in any voice being shut down within the community. Nevertheless, He has the most experience and has put in many hours of effort into this project, and I feel his sudden removal would not be beneficial to the 2b2t wiki in any capacity.

Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: Yes

Although LordGalvatronMC has shown good work on the 2b2t Wiki, I do not see a reason for him to retain the status of an administrator. Many of his views are identical with that of Joey_Coconut, and I believe there should be more variety involving perspectives within the staff team. I do not vote for his removal, I vote for his replacement with somebody of a different perspective.

Demotion of leijurv: Yes

I vote yes for the demotion of Leijurv. He has not been active on the 2b2t wiki since the 6 edits he made in late 2022, and like SoiledCold, barely any since his peak activity in the fall of 2021.

Promotion of SoiledCoil: No

He has been relatively inactive in the 2b2t Community, with his last wiki edit before the current vote dating back to 4 edits in December 2022, and barely any since his peak activity during the early winter of 2021.

Promotion of Toska: No 

After careful consideration and a thorough reevaluation, I cannot expect much from him. His activity on the 2b2t Wiki have been rather middling, and most of his edits have been around his own respective projects. Although this provides new views to the wiki, I do not see this as a reason to promote him to an administrator, simply due to the fact that all it takes to create wiki content for your projects, like the rest of us, is to create a new draft and type. I am on the fence on this decision, as I see Toska as a well-rounded community leader, and given that he puts in more effort to the wiki as a whole I would be happy to reconsider. However, in this current state, my vote is no.

I do agree that certain changes must be made. I propose that those who do not wish to possess a Wiki page should be allowed to remove their own pages from the 2b2t Wiki upon their request. Most importantly, I agree that there should be more diversity within the staff team. --Osmobyte (talk) 02:16, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote YES to this motion. Orsond (talk) 02:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote NO to the demotion of Joey_Coconut1. Joey has single handedly contributed a large percentage of the Wiki contents. While it's important not to conflate being staff with being an editor, I believe it's important that this motion is for the betterment of the Wiki and community, rather than being an outright coup which goes from one group holding a monopoly to another group holding a monopoly. My hope is that by keeping Joey and bringing in new staff that the views of the Wiki get more balanced and the staff can find quorum in discussions involving controversial topics. ShaneBuilding (talk) 06:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote NO for the demotion of Joey_Coconut. Joey_Coconut has proven himself to be a skilled administrator, and has spearheaded several initiatives to improve the wiki (Taking over Operation Wikipossible, providing research to writers). To remove him from a position of administration would be very harmful to the wiki's overall health. User:Sonnar180


I vote no for the demotion of Joey_Coconut. He has worked hard on this wiki in the past, and volunteers his time since the beginning to doing things with the community as a whole. User:Hardboiledmegs


I vote NO for the demotion of Joey_Coconut. Joey has been a champion for this wiki, and to be honest, is the only reason it still exists in the form it is in today. User:rrdrock


I vote No to the demotion of Joey. I believe he has been keeping this wiki afloat, and it would be ridiculous to remove him for diversity reasons. Anyone is able to edit the wiki and i believe that the people claiming censorship have yet to provide examples that warrant the removal of his admin role. --User:Negative_Entropy (talk)


I Support this change. Deathstar784 (talk) 01:03, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote no for the demotion of Joey_Coconut. though I may not agree with every decision he has made, I think that Joey's efforts have led to some great improvements to the wiki overall. User:HermeticLock


I vote yes for demotion of Joey_Coconut and Galvatron. These users are horribly out of touch with the 2b2t wiki and have worked for years to unfairly censor/prosecute 2b2t players/groups such as c0mmie_, Clown, MrCK10, The Gulag, etc. They need to go. I vote for yes for the promotion of SoiledCold as I have known him for years and he has had a good track record of running groups/projects such as his stint as 2b2t Uncensored moderator, Leader of TeamNoTrees, Leader of Team No Seas, etc. I abstain for the demotion of Leijurv and for the promotion of Toska and Osmobyte 2b2t Union (c0mmie_, representative of the 2b2t Union, the 2b2t United Nations and The Gulag)

I support this change, there needs to be some diversity on the staff team User:lukent


I vote yes to this change. Sites designed to represent the entire 2b2t community and history should not be managed by a single faction on the server. User:CadeTwo


I vote yes for all the changes. The spawnmasons shouldn't have 100% of the staff team in the interest of fairness. Its time for change D loaded (talk) 00:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


As a disclaimer: I don’t think anybody should be managing anything for a power trip. I’m not familiar with the relationships the current, prospective, and former admins have but no one should be power tripping. It’s a block game, but nobody should be boofing anything. Also I think whoever manages this site ultimately has the say but for legitimacy reasons every step should be taken to ensure things are not hyperbole or falsified. That being said, this doesn’t matter and I’m sick of seeing people griping over this bullshit but here’s my two cents.


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

He’s made countless of contributions to the wiki and community over the past few years. He has connections to most 2b bases and has organized large community projects. One of the main individuals who kept the server interesting with community base builds during the long 1.12.2 stretch. I’ve never understood the beef people have with him. He’s a reasonable dude. He’s a joint leader for Astral with Galv and the two pair well. His connections with the SpawnMasons are loose. Most people are friends with most people regardless of groups on 2b unless your group is actively about destroying peoples work for the sake of doing so. You could say anyone is a “SpawnMason orbiter”. I think that designation is honestly irrelevant.

--Aresyl (talk)

Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No

I’m not too familiar with his involvement but I don’t see why his demotion is relevant for the reasons given. Galv is also one of the oldest active players. He’s been the leader of multiple groups and can easily collaborate with new and old admins.

--Aresyl (talk)

Demotion of leijurv: No

NO. Are you high? This guy is one of 2b2t’s greatest modders for utility clients. Who cares if he’s inactive. Seriously. This demotion makes this seem like a power play.

--Aresyl (talk)

Promotion of SoiledCoil: No

I’m pretty indifferent tbh. I’ve only heard good things about him, but being demoted without a publicised reason when this poll advocates for his reinstatement is weird af to me. Not sure why he was demoted though. It’s a no unless someone can give definitive accounts to why he should be reinstated.

--Aresyl (talk)

Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes 

From my experience he’s mostly trustworthy and has good character. He clearly has an interest in making contributions to the wiki. If he can work with the other admins and not power trip, I can only see him contributing good.

--Aresyl (talk)

Promotion of Toksa: No. 

I don’t know these people. 2b has older and younger individuals playing and contributing. The reality is that anybody can take this and power trip. Fuck when I was 12 I was given a mod role and totally abused that power. Made me feel shitty. Anybody can take advantage of anything, don’t think someone new will be any different but hold accountable the people who are. Only people who contribute to the wiki, are able to put aside their personal 2b2t group biases and can source their information should be allowed to contribute or moderate this. ALSO if this is actually the way anything will change, we need more unbiased information. I’ve heard confusing/biased info for years on the subreddit and it’s always changing. People love to make up ahit so just back up whatever you’re saying please.

Aresyl (talk) 8:17, 12 September 2023 (CDT) --Aresyl (talk)


I vote yes to this change. - Max1mumChr1s

I support the demotion of Joey_Coconut because one group shouldn't run the wiki alone. Bezopasan (talk) 00:43, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote yes on demotion - User:Senko Foxx


I vote NO for the demotion of Joey_Coconut. Joey_Coconut (Joey_Coconut1) has made thousands of invaluable contributions to the 2b2t Wiki, and I believe demoting him would severely harm the health of the wiki. rebane2001 (talk) 00:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

EDITED 9/17: I vote NO to the Joey_Coconut demotion. Joey seems to know the ins and outs of handling this, after hearing what actually goes in to being an admin or whatever, I don't know if the Wiki Coalition actually understands what it takes and that it's more than just swapping people around. There's a lot more responsibility than just overseeing the 2b2t wiki, such as communicating with miraheze and whatnot. Anybody promoted should be fully aware of the commitment and tasks they would be signing up for and it doesn't make sense to remove somebody who knows what needs done. I agree with more diversity but people can't just go in to this blind, with no real training or guidance. User:Yamez8

I vote YES to demotion VaydenPayne (talk) 00:55, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote NO because I don't believe that Joey has contributed much to the wiki and there's not that much proof of him being that biased and irrational. Progress and balance on the wiki should be about promoting others not demoting others. Verydarkdorito (talk) 00:59, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Promotion of SoiledCold: No  - dont rly see him active anywhere so no pint of being in staff
Promotion of Toska: No  - he done almost no edits, why would he should have to be in staff when prior this event he had no interested in doing wiki staff.
Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes  - 100% deserved promotion, done tone of work on wiki
Demotion of Leijurv: No - kinda active memeber of staff, no point in demoting him
Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No - the most active memeber of wiki team no point of demoting him
Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No - active memeber of staff, no point in demoting him

(Ranlen) 6:40, 13 September 2023 (UTC+2)


I agree with the demotion. Whygoodboyg (talk) 01:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote NO. Joey has been the main driving factor behind this wiki and the main reason it is still functioning. He has a wide-reaching viewpoint over the community and while many have problems with him, I have never seen him be unfair about something or try to hide something that he doesn't necessarily agree with. I also think it is quite telling that this vote was brought up immediately after Joey started trying to revive the wiki and bring more people in. If the vote had happened a week ago, there would perhaps be more merit, but this seems to be a power play from people who have no real connection to the community at large than trying to actually reform the wiki. --Blocker (talk)


I vote No. Joey is the most dedicated admin, a strong writer, deeply knowledgeable about the server, and well-connected with the community. The wiki would not be as good as it is without his contributions. --Futsin1 (talk)


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

Joey is one of the only persons I know that has a real passion not only for the wiki, but also documenting history. I see no point in demoting such a person. The idea of this whole thing has been not targeting Joey's capability to run the wiki or administrate, but is targeted against a group. The motive behind this is badly formulated, and I stand against these demotions. --Chiekn (talk)


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

Joey has been keeping the wiki a float when others have not shown interest on it and i have not seen bias from him personally neither i have seen any proof of it so far. --NIgerianprince (talk)



Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

Joey is single-handedly the most important person to the health of the 2b2t wiki. No one else has his level of dedication or passion. This is a thankless job and he does not get nearly as much credit as he should.

--Todarac (talk)


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No --Raaanch (talk)


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

Joey has made significant efforts to remain consistent, fair and unbiased regardless of groups. His effort towards improving the wiki and taking in feedback from the community is evident. He is a strong leader and fit for this role.

--Fuzzybiskits (talk)

Demotion of Joey_Coconut: Yes User:IOSL


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

I do not support the changes as they seem to come from a place of malice towards the current team. This vote is pushing for the demotion of people who have been running this wiki because of a block game group they associate with. User:KILLAQUEEN123



Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No User:Amiaoghg


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No User:illumiwh

Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

Joeycoconut earned his place here and doesn't deserve to be removed. Malicious people with a personal biais against him want him gone, and that's not a justification, that's a proof of weakness. User:Brickzebra


 I vote yes for the demotion of JoeyCoconut. --FIRECATinBLACK

Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No --Babbaj

JoeyCoconut Demotion - NO Joey is the backbone of the 2b2t Wiki. Without him, I see no way that this wiki would remain as updated with information as it is since Joey is the single most active member of the wiki staff. --CirocDrip (talk)


JoeyCoconut Demotion - NO Others have already covered what I want to say about his contributions to the wiki.

I want to emphasize that his deep engagement with a multitude of groups and players on 2b2t is what demarcates him from simply being a consistently active contributor with a high edit count. Joey's encyclopediac knowledge of the playerbase has never ceased to amaze me.

This kangaroo court is premised on a fundamental misunderstanding of what this wiki is—even ignoring the obvious malicious motivations and phenomenally weak bait courtesy of the people who we could never be without—this wiki's articles depend on the contributions of a very small number of players. The quality of those articles depends on an even smaller number of editors. The accuracy and quality over the long-term depends on a handful of people who can stay up-to-date and on-top-of the server and wiki duties for years.

What demarcates Joey and other key contributors from the rest is passion and autism. There are very few people capable of providing the same wealth and quality of information, even fewer capable of doing it for as long as Joey has (and continues to do). --GrammarPolizei (talk)


JoeyCoconut Demotion - NO I think JoeyCoconut is doing a great job managing the wiki with alot of passion, I don't see a point in switching staff. --Thranoz (talk)


JoeyCoconut Demotion - NO --Nasder (talk)

Demotion of Joey_Coconut - NO Linky

Demotion of Joey_Coconut - NO Joey's been a good contributor for a long time and cares for this place. Trying to demote people that you don't like is just dumb. Especially when they've been a pillar of maintaining this place for as long as he has. --Carl2b2t (talk)


JoeyCoconut Demotion - NO Joey has shown and proven his competency with editing the wiki over my time knowing him. Joey has always been on top of keeping not only my groups page up to date, but that of others to include bases and overall group;player accomplishments. --TheLastTemplar (talk)

JoeyCoconut Demotion - NO The wiki in its current state will die if Joey is removed. He is one of the main reasons, if not the only reason, this site is up to date. Poisonvenom (talk) 19:51, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


JoeyCoconut Demotion - NO Joey has been the head of this wiki for a while now and has contributed to it being an open and fair source. While there may be some discontent with factionalism on 2b, this is minimal, and I believe Joey does a decent job of being neutral from what I have seen on this site. --Beithir (talk)

Demotion of LordGalvatronMC

Demotion of LordGalvatronMC


LordGalvatronMC Demotion - NO Galv is a longtime player with many good contributions to the wiki and I see no reason for him to be demoted. --RICELAND1 (talk)


Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No Galvatron is a long-time active contributor to the 2b2t wiki and I see no signs of bias. His demotion seems to be solely based on supposed group association rather than any evidence of improper administration. --MinecraftSimon (talk)


Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No Galvatron is a good guy, I don't see the reason to remove him. --FriedVEVO (talk)


Demotion of LordGalvatronMC - NO I vote no for the demotion of LordGalvatronMC --Casparov (talk)


Demotion of LordGalvatronMC - NO Galvatron has been an invaluable resource for this website in a variety of ways, and is oftentimes the one that helps to vet crazy ideas other staff have. He is a level-headed and long-term-serving Bureaucrat that has shown his worth here time and time again, especially in discussion. To vote against him is to misunderstand his role in the administration in the backend of this site, where he is often the one to contact miraheze when the site is threatened or they must be involved. The motivations behind this vote concerning him don't even relate to Galvatron himself, and were concocted by bad-faith actors seeking to harm the wiki team overall. The cherry on top with the discussion concerning Galvatron is this whole 'spawnmason orbiter' cope that attempts to tie him in as a member of the group that he is not just not a member of, but is furthermore disinterested in becoming a member of. --Joey Coconut1 (talk)


Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No

Like with JoeyCoconut, I'd point to the reasons for his demotion as to why I disagree with demoting LordGalvatronMC. Being associated with JoeyCoconut is absolutely no reason to demote someone and seems to be rooted in the issues held with JoeyCoconut as staff rather than LordGalvatronMC, in which case the vote should be cast against JoeyCoconut. The fact this is even mentioned as a reason further points to this proposal being based on personal issues with the staff members rather than improper administration within the wiki. What does Spawnmasons orbiter even mean, that's such a loose link, LordGalvatron isn't even a member of the Spawnmasons, (disproving the claim that the wiki is fully administered by one group) and even if he was why is that cause for demotion? Ultimately LordGalvatronMc should stay as a staff member due to having a good track record of running the wiki in a neutral impartial way, his ability to compromise with members of the community and knowledge of the operations of the wiki. --KommunistKuba (talk)


Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No

Has done good work. If you look at his past contributions you can also tell he has been active.

--P529 (talk)


I vote YES to the demotion of LordGalvatronMC. Largely inactive as an editor. ShaneBuilding (talk) 06:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)



Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No Galvatron is a trustworthy and active member of the 2b2t community, there is no real reason to demote him from staff of the 2b2t wiki. --Skai256 (talk)


Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No

Galv has done good work so far! Big fanington!!!

--DanDucky (talk)


Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No

Galva had been contribute a lot and skilled administrator for 2b2t wiki so I dont see the point of removing / demote him. Fairly neutral as well for the cases that I saw.

--User:EddyChong


Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No

Incredibly level headed, active, and accurate.

--Todarac (talk)


I vote no on the demotion of LordGalvatron. User:Hardboiledmegs


I vote yes on the demotion of LordGalvatron. He can still be an editor without being an admin that shares all the time ties as the other current admins. We need the admin team to represent more of the community. User:HermeticLock


I vote NO on the issue of demoting of LordGalvatronMC. I believe that demoting wiki administrators in the pursuit of diversity, rather than promoting new ones, is a negative course of action to take for the wiki's future. User:Sonnar180


I vote NO on the demotion of LordGalvatronMC. LordGalvatronMC has been an unbiased source of 2b info for as long or longer than most of us have played. User:rrdrock


I vote No to the demotion of LordGalvatronMC. I do not see bad action from him and believe that diversifying the admin team should be done by adding new people rather than removing motivated contributors. --User:Negative_Entropy (talk)


I Support this change. Deathstar784 (talk) 01:03, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I support this change, there needs to be some diversity on the staff team User:lukent


I vote yes. User:Senko Foxx


I vote yes, staff team needs more diversity User:Phosph0lipid


I vote yes to this change. Sites designed to represent the entire 2b2t community and history should not be managed by a single faction on the server. User:CadeTwo


I vote yes for all the changes. The spawnmasons shouldn't have 100% of the staff team in the interest of fairness. Its time for change D loaded (talk) 00:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote yes to this change. - Max1mumChr1s

I support the demotion of LordGalvatronMC because one group shouldn't run the wiki alone. Bezopasan (talk) 00:43, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote NO. Let them stay and add a few other mature and trustworthy folks instead. User:Yamez8

I vote yes to demotion VaydenPayne (talk) 00:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote NO because I don't believe that Galvatron has ALSO contributed much to the wiki and there's not that much proof of him being that biased and irrational. Basically the same reason as the Joey one. Verydarkdorito (talk) 01:00, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree with the demotion. Whygoodboyg (talk) 01:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote NO. Don't know Galvatron well but have only heard good things, don't see why he should be demoted. --Blocker (talk)


I vote YES to this motion. Orsond (talk) 02:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote No. Galvatron is a long-time active contributor to the 2b2t wiki. I don't see a compelling reason for his removal. --Futsin1 (talk)

Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No

Same goes for Galvatron, well respected man that cares for documenting history. He has made great remarks on the wiki, and does not target or favortize groups/people. Same goes for Joey. --Chiekn (talk)

Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No

i have not seen any bias behavior from galv and the wiki coalition have not been able to brought up any solid proof more than their words so no, gal has always been reasonable and is able to stay neutral --NIgerianprince (talk)


Demotions of LordGalvatronMC: No--Raaanch (talk)


Demotions of LordGalvatronMC: No

--Fuzzybiskits (talk)


Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: Yes User:IOSL]


Demotions of LordGalvatronMC: No User:KILLAQUEEN123]


Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No User:Amiaoghg]


Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No User:illumiwh]


Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No 

I don't know the guy but peace be upon himUser:Brickzebra


 I vote yes for the demotion of LordGalvatronMC. --FIRECATinBLACK

Galvatron Demotion - NO In lieu of any compelling evidence or reason for demotion, I vote no.

In lieu of contributing to measuring consensus or fostering discussion (in fact, actively harming both), I'd like to point out to those who need it that this wiki isn't a quasi-judicial experiment in democracy, bureaucracy, or anarchy; it's a wiki about a Minecraft server. No amount of scheming will change that. Galvatron does his job, his contribution page is proof of this, and no amount of scheming will change that either.

Censuring is incompatible with documenting information in a wiki. No evidence of that has been provided. What has been provided is just-enough moderation to prevent the wiki from becoming another battleground for in-game drama. The 2b2t wiki isn't about winning and it shouldn't be the medium to arbitrate petty disputes. --GrammarPolizei (talk)


LordGalvatronMC Demotion - NO LordGalvatronMC is also very passionate about the wiki, I don't see a point in switching staff. --Thranoz (talk)



LordGalvatronMC Demotion - NO --CirocDrip (talk)


LordGalvatronMC Demotion - NO --Linky


LordGalvatronMC Demotion - NO --Carl2b2t (talk)


LordGalvatronMC Demotion - NO Galv has been a long term staff member and has made countless contributions to the wiki. --TheLastTemplar (talk)

LordGalvatronMC Demotion - NO Galv and Joey are the main reason this site is even relevant and accurate. Poisonvenom (talk) 19:54, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Demotion of leijurv

Demotion of leijurv


leijurv Demotion - NO Demoting a player only based on group affiliations is not justified without examples on how those group affiliations influence the contributions of the player. --RICELAND1 (talk)


Demotion of leijurv: No Leijurv's experience with Wikipedia and knowledge of handling disputes is an asset to the 2b2t wiki. He should not be demoted solely based on alleged inactivity. --MinecraftSimon (talk)


Demotion of leijurv: No Leijurv is a figurehead of the 2b community and fits in with the 2b wiki --FriedVEVO (talk)


Demotion of leijurv: NO Leijurv is our resident tech guy and also an experienced wikipedia editor. He is the least active member of the staff team, but still an invaluable asset to this site as a whole. When miraheze was in danger of folding, leijurv took it upon himself to put significant effort to creating a new self-hosted site that as far as I am aware can be launched within a day if we needed to. When we have discussion pages put forward by the admin team, he is the first person consulted. When I write editing guides and update the rules, he is the first person consulted. leijurv is the member of the staff team that is the most experienced. To remove him from this position would negatively impact this site, and would also be a comical situation should we move to the self-hosted site as he is the one that would operate it. --Joey Coconut1 (talk)


Demotion of leijurv: NO I vote no for the demotion of Leijurv --Casparov (talk)


Demotion of leijurv: No

I vote against the demotion of leijurv, the reasons listed are not substantial enough to warrant demotion. Whilst leijurv could potentially be understood to be inactive, I still believe his presence is important in the wiki, leijurv has shown himself as a reasonably capable moderator in the past. As there are no examples provided of him being biased outside of group association, (which in itself isn't a valid cause for demotion unless there is direct evidence of leijurv being biased or unfair due to it) then I don't see membership in the spawnmasons as a valid reason to demote him. Again this seems to be based off of (D loaded) personal issues of leijurv and I believe the exchange of DMs between leijurv and D loaded show this as well. Another thing to consider is that staff isn't required to be active when it comes to authoring articles as seen here only to ensure that they adhere to the rules and manual of style. As such citing leijurvs lack of contribution to articles is irrelevant to his role as staff and as such should not be cause for demotion. --KommunistKuba (talk)


Demotion of leijurv: Yes

Very levelheaded. Should remain in this position.

--P529 (talk)



Demotion of leijurv: No leijurv is a very trustworthy and very active member of the 2b2t community, there is no real reason to demote him from staff of the 2b2t wiki. He has a lot of information and insight that can be provided to pages. --Skai256 (talk)

Demotion of leijurv: Yes

I have not heard much of his involvement in 2b2t wiki so might have been good to demote him from 2b2t wiki team.

I vote NO! on demoting leijurv. This dude is super cool he even has feet updates on his youtube. If you demote him you hate baritone! --Skdi (talk)


--User:EddyChong


I vote NO on the demotion of leijurv. He has been a huge help to keeping this wiki going. User:rrdrock


--User:KitNightingale


I vote NO to the demotion of leijurv. He has been helpful and has a good reputation with my fellow players.


I vote YES to the demotion of leijurv. Largely inactive as an editor. ShaneBuilding (talk) 06:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote no on the demotion of leijurv. User:Hardboiledmegs


I vote yes to this change. - Max1mumChr1s

I Support this change. Deathstar784 (talk) 01:03, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote no on the demotion of leijurv. leijurv's wikipedia experience is an overall net asset to the 2b2t wiki. User:HermeticLock


I support this change, there needs to be some diversity on the staff team User:lukent


I vote yes to this change. Sites designed to represent the entire 2b2t community and history should not be managed by a single faction on the server. User:CadeTwo


I vote yes for the demotion of Leijurv. User:Senko Foxx


I vote No to the demotion of leijurv. He has plenty of experience dealing with wikipedia, understands the processes needed when resolving conflict, and knows a lot about 2b2t. If you want more diversity you should be focusing on new additions rather than removing competent people. --User:Negative_Entropy (talk)


I vote yes for all the changes. The spawnmasons shouldn't have 100% of the staff team in the interest of fairness. Its time for change D loaded (talk) 00:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I support the demotion of leijurv because one group shouldn't run the wiki alone. Bezopasan (talk) 00:43, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

EDITED 9/17:If Leijurv was more active, I would vote NO but since there is question as to how active he can be going forward, I would say maybe a demotion is for the best. He can still be involved but maybe not at the top anymore. User:Yamez8

I vote yes to demotion VaydenPayne (talk) 00:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote YES because he's been inactive for the past couple years. Verydarkdorito (talk) 01:01, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree with the demotion. Whygoodboyg (talk) 01:37, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote NO. Don't know Leijurv but have only heard good things, don't see why he should be demoted. --Blocker (talk)

I vote YES to this motion. Orsond (talk) 02:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote No. Leijurv is a talented, knowledgeable player and contributor, and is heavily involved with Wikipedia.org. Our wiki benefits from his expertise. --Futsin1 (talk) ---

Demotion of leijurv: No

This is more a move to get a group out of the administration team. By targeting Joey, they are also targeting leijurv. I think this is wrong, and even though he has not been very active, I stand for not demoting him. --Chiekn (talk)


Demotion of Leijurv: No

This is the dumbest proposal in this entire vote in my opinion. Trying to stay as civil as possible, Leijurv is the most autistic and dedicated wiki editor I have met in my entire life. If there should only be a SINGLE admin for the entire 2b2t wiki it should be leijurv. He has overseen disputes that make this entire discussion look like small talk at a wedding.

--Todarac (talk)


Demotion of Leijurv: No--Raaanch (talk)


Demotion of Leijurv: No

--KILLAQUEEN123



Demotion of leijurv: NO Amiaoghg


Demotion of leijurv: NO illumiwh


Demotion of leijurv: NO User:Brickzebra


Demotion of Leijurv: No --Babbaj

Demotion of Leijurv: No I don't see a reason in demotion. --Thranoz (talk)


Demotion of leijurv: NO Nasder


Demotion of leijurv: NO --CirocDrip (talk)


Demotion of leijurv: NO --Carl2b2t (talk)


Demotion of leijurv: No Leijurv has proven himself to be a respectful member of this community.


Demotion of leijurv: No Leijurv is an important resource due to his Wikipedia experience and technical knowledge. This only further demonstrates how this proposal was made without any care for the wiki itself—not a single one of the proposed promotions can fill his shoes.

--GrammarPolizei (talk)

Promotion of SoiledCold

Promotion of SoiledCold


Promotion of SoiledCold - NO Inactive and doesn't seem to be a good fit for staff based on previous actions. --RICELAND1 (talk)


Promotion of SoiledCold: No SoiledCold has been inactive in the community and on the wiki for a long time. Promoting inactive members does not seem productive. --MinecraftSimon (talk)


Promotion of SoiledCold: No I vote no to the promotion of SoiledCold --Casparov (talk)


Promotion of SoiledCold: Not just no, HARD no SoiledCold is a previous staff member that was demoted three years ago after it became clear he did not understand what the position entailed, and immediately after he participated in raids on another location (If I recall correctly, some clone server) and explicitly said he was doing so on behalf of this wiki. The wiki is not something that should be involved in that type of drama EVER. Most arguments for his promotion concern involvement in short-lived (albeit large-scale) community projects several years ago. In his long tenure as a trusted editor, he did not regularly participate in draft review. Beyond this he has not edited this site in nearly a year. Ignoring less than a dozen edits on his part that he conducted within a more extended period, SoiledCold has not participated on this site in over TWO YEARS. To promote someone with this level of activity is ridiculous, especially when other, far more active contributors have been presented for demotion over alleged inactivity. Add to this the fact that this whole vote was called in order to simply remove and replace myself and several other staff without much heed paid to who was slated to replace us as far as I can tell, and this is something that, in my opinion, would be genuinely damaging for the wiki. What good would the promotion of a deathly inactive administrator do? --Joey Coconut1 (talk)

  • I feel like I should comment on this. I was familiar with the responsibilities of the position even before Joey took control of the wiki, as I had been an active member of the community. The raid that Joey mentioned involved a 2b2t clone server Discord owned by Leee, the owner of the clone server, with whom he had beef with at the time. Joey had access to same permissions as me, discord server permissions, and also participated in the raid. The only difference is that I created a meme that mentioned the 2b2t wiki's name, which prompted Joey and Henry to ask me to step down rather than going down the more challenging and long route. At the time, I didn't see much harm in stepping down, as being a trusted editor didn't require me to work on every single aspect of the wiki. I would offer my opinion when I felt it was necessary, and given how the wiki was managed, there wasn't much divergence in opinions. As for my two-year inactivity on the wiki, it was primarily due to my focus on my last two years in high school. I was trying to make the most of my time with friends in real life and concentrate on my studies to secure a spot in a good college. Any rational person concerned about their future and trying to make as memories in high school would prioritize this over a video game. Now that I am in college and becoming more pubicly active within the 2b2t community, I don't see any reason why I shouldn't be considered for a staff position. I hold no personal grudges against anyone, and any past disputes I had were resolved long ago. I believe that with my renewed commitment and the lessons I've learned from past experiences, I can contribute positively to the community and help maintain the integrity of the wiki. My intention is to be an asset, not a liability, to the 2b2t community. User:SoiledCold

Promotion of SoiledCold: No

I believe that SoiledCold shouldn't be promoted, he has shown little active interest in the wiki and the 2b community as a whole. Promoting him on the basis of diversity seems flawed since if he's inactive then ultimately the degree to which the articles become less biased will not change as he won't contribute. The case for his promotion also seems to consider the supposed basis of other staff rather than his own merits as a contributor to the wiki. If you believe the current staff members are biased, vote to demote them rather than to promote someone who doesn't seem to be active, on the basis of less bias. --KommunistKuba (talk)


Promotion of SoiledCold: No Isn't this guy literally dead or something? --FriedVEVO (talk)


Promotion of SoiledCold: No SoiledCold is not a very active member of the 2b2t community and I don't believe his contributions to the wiki would continue in the long term. --Skai256 (talk)


Promotion of SoiledCold: No

Isn't one of the reasons to remove Joey to get more active people to "own" the wiki? Adding an inactive person to staff doesn't seem to be the smartest approach.

--P529 (talk)


I'm voting yes to the promotion of SoiledCold in the interest of creating a more balanced group of staff on the Wiki, but my continued long-term support for them is contingent on the creation of a consistent contributions log containing high quality edits and drafts. ShaneBuilding (talk) 06:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


Promotion of SoiledCold: No

This guy hasn't played in forever as far as I'm concerned. If anyone is out of touch it's him. Also a huge meme and I have no energy to deal with him anywhere.

--DanDucky (talk)


Promotion of SoiledCoil: No

I have not heard of him before and I only know he is inactive 2b2t player so 2b2t wiki might not be beneficial if he is in.

--User:EddyChong


I vote NO on the promotion of Soiled. Hardboiledmegs

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I vote No to the promotion of SoiledCold. --User:Negative_Entropy (talk)


I vote YES on the promotion of SoiledCold. Soiledcold has had a long past with the wiki, and has been a trusted editor for a long time. User:Sonnar180


I vote NO on the promotion of SoiledCold. While he and I have never had direct interation, the drama and subjectivity he's shown in the past on certain drama in the community leads me to believe he will not have the interests of the community in mind. User:rrdrock


I vote yes to this change. - Max1mumChr1s

I Support this change. Deathstar784 (talk) 01:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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I vote yes for all the changes. The spawnmasons shouldn't have 100% of the staff team in the interest of fairness. Its time for change D loaded (talk) 00:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I support this change, there needs to be some diversity on the staff team User:lukent

Edited 9/17: I've heard they aren't the most active on the server anymore and possibly some other issues. Also, after hearing what actually goes in to being an admin or whatever, I don't know if the Wiki Coalition actually understands what it takes and that it's more than just swapping people around. There's a lot more responsibility than just overseeing the 2b2t wiki, such as communicating with miraheze and whatnot. Anybody promoted should be fully aware of the commitment and tasks they would be signing up for. User:Yamez8


I vote yes to this change. Sites designed to represent the entire 2b2t community and history should not be managed by a single faction on the server. User:CadeTwo


I support the promotion of SoiledCold. Diversity is our strength. user:HermeticLock


I vote yes for the promotion of SoildCold. This will add more diversity of players to the wiki staff. User:Senko Foxx


I support the promotion of SoiledCold because one group shouldn't run the wiki alone. Bezopasan (talk) 00:43, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote yes to promotion VaydenPayne (talk) 00:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote YES becuase he has contributed to the wiki greatly and we could use a bit of a new perspective on things. Verydarkdorito (talk) 01:07, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree with the promotion Whygoodboyg (talk) 01:39, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote NO. Have had many bad experiences with him in the past in how things were ran and especially his reactions when things did not go his way. I do not want to elaborate here due to the sensitive nature of this, but if you would like to know more I am happy to elaborate privately. --Blocker (talk)

I vote YES to this motion. Orsond (talk) 02:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote No to the promotion of SoiledCold. I don't think the wiki would benefit from him in an admin position. --Futsin1 (talk)

Promotion of SoiledCold: No

Not a active player in the community. This "promotion" that are suggested by the coalition is standing against what they want, to remove "not active" players such as leijurv. Then why promote a player that is not active at all? --Chiekn (talk)



Promotion of SoiledCold: No

--Todarac (talk)


Promotion of SoiledCold: No --Raaanch (talk)


Promotion of SoiledCold: No

--KILLAQUEEN123




Promotion of SoiledCold: No I vote no to the promotion of SoiledCold --Amiaoghg (talk)


Promotion of SoiledCold: No

--illumiwh


Promotion of SoiledCold: No I vote no to the promotion of SoiledCold, he has shown, in the past, that he cannot be trusted with things that require his neutrality --User:Brickzebra


Promotion of SoiledCold: No Inactive, don't see a point in demoting them and promoting him. --Thranoz (talk)


Promotion of SoiledCold: No --Nasder


Promotion of SoiledCold: No --CirocDrip (talk)


Promotion of SoiledCold: No --Carl2b2t (talk)

Promotion of SoiledCold: No Inactive --TheLastTemplar (talk)

Promotion of SoiledCold: No --Linky

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Promotion of SoiledCold: No SoiledCold has been deathly inactive, and all memory of him before that is pretty negative—allowing/using drama without care for the adverse effects the wiki—but even pretending that SoiledCold is a remotely viable promotion, where is the proof? "I have changed and will become active and useful... as soon as I get promoted back into a position I was inactive and actively harmful in?" It's a non sequitur.

--GrammarPolizei (talk)

Promotion of SoiledCold: No From what I've seen, this individual may not be the best candidate for this position. Whilst I harbor no ill feelings or intent with this, I believe that actions speak louder than words in this regard. Also they have not been active in a while anyways?

--Beithir (talk)

Promotion of Osmobyte

Promotion of Osmobyte


Promotion of Osmobyte - Yes Osmobyte is a great fit for staff and has contributed a lot to the wiki. --RICELAND1 (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes Osmobyte is an active respected contributor who seems knowledgeable about 2b2t history and operations. He could bring a valuable perspective to the admin team. --MinecraftSimon (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes Osmo is a hard worker, give it to the man --FriedVEVO (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes I vote yes to the promotion of Osmobyte, despite his apparent disinterest in the position. --Casparov (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes Osmobyte is a respected longterm editor with links all over the community. Over the last two years, it has been my distinct privilege to watch him both grow as a writer, and as a respected community figure, and he is someone that seems nearly universally supported. He has also expressed to me that he is not interested in the position, though, and just wants to participate in the wiki. Frankly, this sort of aloof-yet-grindy attitude is something that further demonstrates his aptitude for this position. It is highly likely that he will, however say no to this position. I am still voting yes as I believe thoroughly that he is someone who genuinely cares about this site. Regardless of the circumstances of his nomination, I am firmly in support of Osmobyte. --Joey Coconut1 (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: yes

Osmobyte in my opinion is the strongest case in this entire proposal, he's shown that hes capable and passionate about the wiki, whilst he may have to learn more about the functions of the wiki and the details behind its operation, I'm fully confident in his ability to do so and to take on this role. This along with general good community standing and communication makes him a good choice for staff. --KommunistKuba (talk)

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Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes

Been active for about a year, did nothing shading from what I can tell in the history. (Might be a bit soon to be promoted but w/e)

--P529 (talk)


I vote YES to the promotion of Osmobyte. A long term, respected editor, this isn't really a question for me and I would have voted yes on Osmobyte even absent the surrounding drama. ShaneBuilding (talk) 06:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes 

So far best candidate to be in 2b2t wiki team and I expect good thing of him to improve 2b2t wiki with voice from a fairly neutral perspective.

--User:EddyChong


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes Osmobyte is a very active and trustworthy member of the 2b2t community and is involved with several groups on the server. He would be able to provide a lot of information and insight into pages. --Skai256 (talk)


I Support this change. Deathstar784 (talk) 01:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote yes to promote Osmobyte. User:Hardboiledmegs


I vote YES on the promotion of Osmobyte. He has his fingers in every corner of the server, and knows a lot more than any one suspects about this community. User:rrdrock


I vote Yes to the promotion of Osmobyte. He has made major contributions and can provide new views. --User:Negative_Entropy (talk)


I vote yes for the promotion of Osmobyte. This will add more diversity of of players to the wiki staff. User:HermeticLock


I vote yes for the promotion of Osmobyte. This will add more diversity of players to the wiki staff. User:Senko Foxx


I vote yes for the promotion of Osmobyte. This will add more diversity of players to the wiki staff. User:Phosph0lipid


I vote yes to this change. - Max1mumChr1s

I support this change, there needs to be some diversity on the staff team User:lukent

Edited 9/17: After hearing what actually goes in to being an admin or whatever, I don't know if the Wiki Coalition actually understands what it takes and that it's more than just swapping people around. There's a lot more responsibility than just overseeing the 2b2t wiki, such as communicating with miraheze and whatnot. Anybody promoted should be fully aware of the commitment and tasks they would be signing up for. If Osmobyte is fully prepared and willing, then I vote YES. User:Yamez8


I vote yes to this change. Sites designed to represent the entire 2b2t community and history should not be managed by a single faction on the server. User:CadeTwo


I vote yes for all the changes. The spawnmasons shouldn't have 100% of the staff team in the interest of fairness. Its time for change D loaded (talk) 00:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I support the promotion of Osmobyte because one group shouldn't run the wiki alone. Bezopasan (talk) 00:43, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote yes to promotion VaydenPayne (talk) 00:58, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote YES for the same reason as my opinion as SoiledCold's promotion. Verydarkdorito (talk) 01:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree with the promotion Whygoodboyg (talk) 01:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote YES CONTINGENT on D_loaded's information being correct. Don't know him, but I have no objection. --Blocker (talk)

I vote YES to this motion. Orsond (talk) 02:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote yes to Osmobyte's promotion. He has made numerous quality contributions to the wiki. --Futsin1 (talk)

Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes 

Although im saying yes, I think this is a decision Osmobyte has to take himself. He has been very active in the wiki community, and made a great amount of edits and writing for the community. But I hope he will decide for himself, as a player that are not active anymore. --Chiekn (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes Osmobyte could bring new views and energy to the wiki team so yes --NIgerianprince (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes

Voting yes to all the additions because I have no problem with any of them, and more diversity is a good thing :)

--Todarac (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes --Raaanch (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes User:IOSL


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes --


KILLAQUEEN123



Promotion of Osmobyte: No --


Amiaoghg


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes --


illumiwh


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes User:Brickzebra



 I vote yes for the promotion of Osmobyte. --FIRECATinBLACK

Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes Great guy, would do a good job. --Thranoz (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes --Nasder


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes --CirocDrip (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes --Carl2b2t (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes Longtime editor and up the the challenge. --TheLastTemplar (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes A great editor who, despite not being interested in getting promoted, is ironically the only proposed promotion who actually deserves it and benefits the wiki tremendously; so functionally, this vote is here to voice my appreciation :) --GrammarPolizei (talk)

Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes Osmo has been a neutral figure who has done nothing but positives, if anything is to come out of this whole debacle it should be his promotion. --Beithir (talk)

Promotion of Toska

Promotion of Toska


Promotion of Toska: No While Toska is a respected community member, he does not have enough recent involvement with the wiki to warrant a direct promotion to admin at this time. --MinecraftSimon (talk)


Promotion of Toska: No I vote no for the promotion of Toska. --Casparov (talk)



Promotion of Toska: No I vote no for the promotion of Toska. --Amiaoghg


Promotion of Toska: No I vote no for the promotion of Toska. --illumiwh


Promotion of Toska: No No edits in 6 months, why is he being considered? --FriedVEVO (talk)


Promotion of Toska: No Toska is an individual I would have no qualms considering voting yes for is he was regularly active on this website - he is not. Toska has not edited this site in almost 6 months, and prior to that, the majority of his edits were largely placed on a single page. He does not have a strong history of contributing to this site. Outside of the wiki he is a well-known community figure that is generally even-tempered. These are good qualities that a good staff member should exhibit, but these are far from the only qualities that make a good staff member. To promote someone with this level of inactivity would not result in meaningful changes on the wiki, and could not reasonably be expected to bring him active here. He has recently become a Draft Mender and I don't think it unreasonable to say he should be discussed down the road should he demonstrate a higher level of activity and an understanding of the wiki's inner workings. --Joey Coconut1 (talk)


Promotion of Toska:No Whilst it is important to consider the community standing of Toska, I ultimately believe that active interest in the wiki as a whole should determine his promotion. This seems absent, Toska primarally edits his own or his groups page or topics surrounding his group or himself on other pages. Whilst there is nothing wrong with the edits he's made I would like to see him try to make contributions to the wiki outside of himself or his group before being promoted to staff. In doing so he also is able to prove his objectivity within the wiki which I believe is important for a staff member. --KommunistKuba (talk)


Promotion of Toska:No

--KILLAQUEEN123


Promotion of Toska: No

Cant seem to find his wiki profile. If someone can provide me a link I might update this.

Edit: I found his profile and he only edits his own page and his own groups page.

--P529 (talk)


Promotion of Toska: No Toska would not provide enough contributions to the wiki in the long term. --Skai256 (talk)


I'm voting yes to the promotion of Toska in the interest of creating a more balanced group of staff on the Wiki, but my continued long-term support for them is contingent on the creation of a consistent contributions log containing high quality edits and drafts. ShaneBuilding (talk) 06:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


Promotion of Toska: No

I'm really not sure that this guy is active much in the community outside of his own group. Not a great example for what the wiki "needs".

--DanDucky (talk)


Promotion of Toska: No 

Change my mind after I saw his contribution which only focus on his own or his own group. Since there is a promotion system going on in the wiki team, I do not think Toska is a suitable candidate to be promoted straight into wiki staff team. He need to prove himself first in term of contribute to the whole 2b2t wiki.

--User:EddyChong


I do not support this change, as I believe that Toska does not have enough experience or time with the 2b2t wiki to be effective in an administrative position. User:Sonnar180

I Support this change. Deathstar784 (talk) 01:05, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote NO for the promotion of Toska after careful reconsideration. He has been inactive, and has not made reasonable contribution to the wiki. User:rrdrock --Rrdrock (talk)


I vote yes for the promotion of toska. The staff team needs more diversity. User:Phosph0lipid


I vote no on Toska. I feel like Toska is a great level headed person, and a respected member of the community, but he should be more active for a bit before we consider promoting him. Would love to see him promoted in the future, but for now I must regretfully vote no. User:Hardboiledmegs


I vote yes for the promotion of Toska. This will add more diversity of players to the wiki staff. User:HermeticLock


I vote yes for the promotion of Toska. This will result in more diversity of players to the wiki staff. User:Senko Foxx


I vote No to the promotion of Toska. He can get there one day but right now I feel like he needs more activity / experience. --User:Negative_Entropy (talk)


I vote yes for all the changes. The spawnmasons shouldn't have 100% of the staff team in the interest of fairness. Its time for change D loaded (talk) 00:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I support this change, there needs to be some diversity on the staff team User:lukent

Edited 9/17: After hearing what actually goes in to being an admin or whatever, I don't know if the Wiki Coalition actually understands what it takes and that it's more than just swapping people around. There's a lot more responsibility than just overseeing the 2b2t wiki, such as communicating with miraheze and whatnot. Anybody promoted should be fully aware of the commitment and tasks they would be signing up for. I platonically love Toska but want to make sure they are aware of the commitment and it won't be just tossing them to the wolves, so to speak. If they understand and are still willing, then I vote YES. User:Yamez8

I vote yes to promotion VaydenPayne (talk) 00:58, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote yes to this change. - Max1mumChr1s

I vote yes to this change. Sites designed to represent the entire 2b2t community and history should not be managed by a single faction on the server. User:CadeTwo


I support the promotion of Toska because one group shouldn't run the wiki alone. Bezopasan (talk) 00:43, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote YES for the same reason as my opinion as SoiledCold's promotion. Verydarkdorito (talk) 01:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree with the promotion Whygoodboyg (talk) 01:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote NO based on hearing that he is not actually that active unlike what D_Loaded had said. --Blocker (talk)

I vote YES to this motion. Orsond (talk) 02:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I vote no to Toska's promotion. He has made some quality contributions to the wiki, but I don't know if he would fit in an admin role at this time. --Futsin1 (talk)

Promotion of Toska: No 

Feel like he only has done edits for himself, and his groups. Not enough done for the community in terms of edits. --Chiekn (talk) Promotion of Toska


Promotion of Toska: No--Raaanch (talk)


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

Joey had been contribute a lot and skilled administrator for 2b2t wiki so I dont see the point of removing / demote him. Fairly neutral as well for the cases that I saw.

--User:Jordanl666

Demotion of Leijurv: No

Why would you?

--User:Jordanl666

Demotion of Galvatron: No

Old active player with a lot to offer.

--User:Jordanl666

Promotion of Toska's: No

Not a good fit for admin.

--User:Jordanl666


Promotion of Toska's: No

He has not made any edits in months and only to his own pages so no i dont think he will be a good fit for the role of staff --NIgerianprince (talk)


Promotion of Toska: Yes

Voting yes to all the additions because I have no problem with any of them, and more diversity is a good thing :)

--Todarac (talk)

Promotion of Toska: Yes User:IOSL


I vote yes for all changes

--Travisimo (talk)



Demotion of LordGalvatronMC: No

He is a very active contributer and I see no signs of bias.

--Breithan (talk)


Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No

Joey has done more for this wiki than anyone else and I see no signs of bias or censoring.

--Breithan (talk)


Demotion of leijurv: No

He is more active than some of thenew proposals and I see no signs of bias.

--Breithan (talk)


Promotion of Osmobyte: Yes

Seems active enough and I have no objections.

--Breithan (talk)


Promotion of SoiledCold: No

Inactive and has been biased in the past.

--Breithan (talk)


Promotion of Toska: No

Inactive and only edits about himself.

--Breithan (talk)


 I vote yes for the promotion of Toska. --FIRECATinBLACK

Promotion of Toska: No

Inactive --Babbaj


Old Votes that need to be updated to new vote format


I vote that donfuer and 5c should stop crying because they don't like the people in charge and if they think a page has biases they should edit it to remove it instead of whining like small children. The entire point of the wiki to to try work together on shit not start drama because you don't like the people involved. When it comes to replacing/ promoting new staff I think it should be done every couple months to a year depending on who has made the most contributions to the wiki and who has made the best edits/pages

- copecopecope1


I vote that None of these changes should be done. The real bias on the wiki is all the people who started this vote. I have been contributing to this wiki for 3 years and I have never seen any bias in info used or put on a page by myself or any editor. Joey Galvatron and Leijurv should continue as staff and be the ones making the promotion Choices. Nothing should change due to this vote --Steampunkjax1 (talk) 14:34, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote yes for all the changes. The spawnmasons shouldn't have 100% of the staff team in the interest of fairness. Its time for change. D loaded (talk) 00:02, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote yes for demotion of Joey_Coconut and Galvatron. User:SoiledCold



I VOTE NO - The Role of Joey_Coconut in Administering the 2b2t Wikipedia: A Case for Continuation BY User:SilverEyes2b2t

Introduction

2b2t, the infamous anarchy Minecraft server, has a long and tumultuous history that has attracted a dedicated community of players and enthusiasts. Among this community, the 2b2t Wikipedia serves as a valuable resource for documenting the server's lore, events, and player history. At the center of this online repository is Joey_Coconut, a member of the Spawnmasons and an administrator of the 2b2t Wikipedia. In this essay, we will explore the reasons why Joey_Coconut should remain in this pivotal role, while also addressing concerns about individuals like DLoaded, the leader of Donfuer, and Orsond, the leader of the Fifth Column, who have been implicated in server controversies and real-life consequences.

Joey_Coconut's Contributions to the 2b2t Wikipedia

Joey_Coconut's tenure as an administrator of the 2b2t Wikipedia has been marked by dedication and impartiality. His contributions to the Wiki have been instrumental in maintaining an accurate and comprehensive record of the server's history. Here are some key reasons why Joey_Coconut should continue in his role:

Commitment to Neutrality: Joey_Coconut has demonstrated a commitment to maintaining the Wiki's neutrality, ensuring that all information is presented objectively without bias. This neutrality is essential in preserving the historical accuracy of the server's events and player interactions.

Experience and Knowledge: Joey_Coconut's deep understanding of 2b2t's history and culture makes him a valuable asset to the Wiki. His experience in documenting the server's evolution over time has contributed to the Wiki's overall quality and credibility.

Fair and Informed Decision-Making: As an administrator, Joey_Coconut has consistently made fair and informed decisions regarding content disputes and edits. His approach prioritizes the best interests of the Wiki and the broader 2b2t community.

The Controversies Surrounding DLoaded and Orsond

While Joey_Coconut has proven to be a reliable and impartial administrator, concerns have arisen regarding the involvement of certain individuals in the 2b2t community, such as DLoaded and Orsond. Both have been linked to controversies and allegations of causing harm to both the server and individuals in real life. Here are some reasons why they may not be suitable for editing the Wiki:

In-Game Actions: DLoaded and Orsond have been associated with disruptive in-game actions, including griefing and harassment. Such actions can create a hostile environment on the server and may undermine the collaborative spirit of the Wiki.

Real-Life Consequences: Allegations of real-life harm caused by these individuals, if true, are deeply concerning. It is essential to prioritize the safety and well-being of all members of the 2b2t community and not support those who engage in harmful behavior.

Objectivity and Neutrality: Editing a Wiki, especially one as critical as the 2b2t Wikipedia, requires objectivity and neutrality. Individuals with a history of disruptive actions may struggle to maintain these standards when editing articles related to their own activities or rival factions.

Conclusion

Joey_Coconut's role as an administrator of the 2b2t Wikipedia has been marked by dedication, impartiality, and a deep understanding of the server's history. His contributions have been instrumental in preserving the server's lore and events accurately. While the 2b2t community values free expression and participation, concerns about individuals like DLoaded and Orsond, who have been associated with disruptive in-game actions and real-life consequences, warrant caution.

In the interest of maintaining the Wiki's credibility and objectivity, it is reasonable to support Joey_Coconut's continued administration while carefully evaluating the involvement of individuals whose actions may have caused harm or disrupted the 2b2t community. Ultimately, the 2b2t Wikipedia should serve as a reliable resource for all players and enthusiasts, free from undue bias and outside influence.


I support these changes, the timeline is becoming subjective, this isn't good and should be stopped. - Bills310 (talk) 23:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


I agree with the changes listed. Whygoodboyg (talk) 23:50, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


I find it insane to group six changes to staff into one vote. This is not being done properly. (talk) 23:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


I support these changes because the 2b2t wiki project has been stagnant for many years, failing to iterate upon itself and accurately represent the happenings within the 2b2t community. Bringing in new staff members will breathe life into the project, as well as bring in fresh perspectives towards documentation of the server. - TakeoutMenu (talk) 23:52, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


I support these changes. They seem sensible and fair. Orsond (talk) 23:53, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


I support these changes. Jakethesnake53 (talk) 23:55, 12 September 2023 (UTC)52


I vote yes to this, because I do not want to be represented by one single group that takes up only 3% of the server population. I support Joey being demoted and Toska and Osmobyte being promoted. Joey also has his fair share of controversy, so just saying someone has been involved in controversy in the past is not a valid argument for overlooking the validity of this vote. A1fastyellowgto (talk) 23:57, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

I will wait for the FitMC video about this to be informed about what my opinion is.



YES




I support these changes. 12master (talk) 23:59, 12 September 2023 (UTC)



I Vote Yes, I support the changes because the spawnmasons have had control over the wiki since forever, its time for change.

EXM1LITARY



I vote yes, I will not look at some egotistical spawnmasons to think they are god and want to control the wiki. Eaglevirtue 00:09, 13 September 2023 UTC



I vote yes, as if we want 2b2t's history to be open, the Spawn Masons should not hold absolute control over the wiki. The changes should be made. ItsInvis 18:19, 12 September 2023 (MDT/MST)


I support the changes because the wiki should be a culmination of different voices in the community rather than one group. Bezopasan (talk) 00:27, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


I vote no. Not because I oppose the promotion of those 3, I absolutely support their promotion, but because I don't think there's that much proof that Joey and Galvatron have been this biased against others. Kizzy sure has been, but not really those 2; they've been the more rational ones. I'm fine with demoting Leijurv though; he hasn't been active. It's absolutely absurd that the promotion of the 3 is coupled together with the demotion of others. If each promotion and demotion were it's own vote, it would bring a lot more progress. Verydarkdorito (talk) 00:39, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I strongly disagree that I was biased. I argued against Orsond's banning, and have tried to be neutral in all ways I can. I am a former wiki moderator of 6 years, I know how to handle a wiki. --Kizzycocoa (talk) 00:21, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I will vote on these people 1 at a time cause thats the only way that makes sense.

(Yes = demotion, No = stay as staff)

Leijurv - NO - Don't know him but have only heard good things, don't see why he should be demoted.

Joey_Coconut - NO - He has been the main person single-handedly running the wiki for the past however long. There is no reason to remove him, especially not for the reasons told. I also think it is quite telling that this vote comes directly after Joey started reaching out to the community trying to gain more help.

Galvatron - NO - Don't know him but have only heard good things, don't see why he should be demoted.

Demotion of JoeyCoconut: No (Yes = become staff, No = don't become staff)

SoiledCold - NO - Have had many bad experiences with him in the past in how things were ran and especially his reactions when things did not go his way. I do not want to elaborate here due to the sensitive nature of this, but if you would like to know more I am happy to elaborate privately.

Toska - YES - Don't know him, but *assuming* the information D_loaded posted is correct I have no objection.

Osmobyte - YES - Don't know him, but *assuming* the information D_loaded posted is correct I have no objection.


I vote NO for the demotion of existing staff. I vote NO for the promotion of the proposed staff.

Joey_Coconut (Joey_Coconut1) has made thousands of invaluable contributions to the 2b2t Wiki, and I believe demoting him would severely harm the health of the wiki.

These proposed changes and a guide to voting on them are currently being heavily advertised on a Discord chat server of over 100 people created with the intention of "reclaiming the wiki". I believe the votes on this page do not represent the views of the average user of the 2b2t Wiki and are heavily skewed due to the way this vote is being spread and advertised. rebane2001 (talk) 00:41, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I DO NOT support the changes because everyone making the proposed changes is a big stinky retard and should go back and crawl in their hole. The current admins could definitely make improvements to how they manage everything but the proposed changes are even worse and the biggest idiots have been suggested like Osmoshit and Toskshit. I vote to ban Osmobyte permanently and also vote to create 7garden on 9b9t. —DefinitelyNotRpb (talk)


I vote yes to the promotion of SoiledCold, I vote yes to the promotion of Toska, I vote yes to the promotion of Osmobyte, he has contributed massively to the wiki,

I vote yes to the demotion of Joey_Coconut, what he's done needs to stop, I vote yes to the demotion of Galvatron, I vote yes to the demotion of Leijurv

-User:Bills310


I vote yes to the promotion of SoiledCold I vote yes to the promotion of Toska I vote yes to the promotion of Osmobyte I vote no to the demotion of Joey_Coconut I vote yes to the demotion of Galvatron I vote yes to the demotion of Leijury

-User:S8n


I vote yes to the promotion of SoiledCold

-User:BGP2


I vote yes to the promotion of SoiledCold

I vote yes to the promotion of Toska

I vote yes to the promotion of Osmobyte

I vote yes to the demotion of Joey_Coconut

I vote yes to the demotion of Galvatron

I vote yes to the demotion of Leijury -User:MrCK103


I vote no to Joey_Coconut's demotion from the Administrator and Bureaucrat position. While it's clear that we haven't been on good ties in the past, I've seen Joey put his best foot forward in the past few years, making sure this site is in a pristine condition. He has conducted several projects to clean up individual pages. While he is affiliated with the Spawnmasons, I don't see that as an issue for him to keep these high-level positions.

At this time, I will not be placing any votes for Lord_Galvatron or Leijurv. I am withdrawing all "yes" votes for potential candidates (save for Osmobyte) due to concerns with the Bureaucrat role.

Over the next few days, I'll fill out the rest here later on. - Jonathan222


I agree with the recommendations for promotions of SoiledCold, Toska, Osmobyte for the good reasons repeatedly stated by the community. As far as demotions of these named Spawnmasons, keeping the wiki up-to-date and newsworthy with journalistic integrity is paramount. The Wiki should report drama, but not be the drama. It is highly likely that 3 SpawnMasons contributing to the wiki would cause concern in the community. The general consensus seems to be that Joey contributes to the maintenance and integrity of the wiki, yet some say he mishandled reporting with bias toward SpawnMasons. That said, his contributions are historically important. The concern I have is the heavy contributions made by the SpawnMasons. I obstain from this vote recommendation. -User:momana

I don’t think he should be promoted


Promotion of Toska: No I vote No for the promotion of Toska. This would result in more diversity of players to the wiki staff User:Brickzebra


Promotion of Toska: No No reason to promote, the current staff is doing a good job. --Thranoz (talk)


Promotion of Toska: No --Nasder


Promotion of Toska: No --CirocDrip (talk)


Promotion of Toska: No --Linky


Promotion of Toska: No --Carl2b2t (talk)


Promotion of Toska: No Inactive. --TheLastTemplar (talk)

Promotion of Toska: No D loaded minion Poisonvenom (talk) 19:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


Promotion of Toska: No Does not contribute much outside of writing about his own group. Not to downplay Toska's contributions of course, but those contributions don't demonstrate a wider interest, usefulness, or even meritorious value in a promotion. Id est, writing about one's own exploits has personal value, but doesn't say much about how they function in a team who is interested in documenting the server-at-large. --GrammarPolizei (talk)